PPM for electric vehicles?

[Londonlisa2001]

That Bradford stat can’t be right surely? If it is that’s full on mental

It is true and it is mental.

When their MP stated in in the commons I checked about half a dozen sources as I didn’t believe it. And all of the sources confirmed it.

It opened my eyes to the issue to be honest, as it’s replicated in city after city. It’s completely out of control.

Edited to add. I’ve just checked the official figures and in England alone, for the last month there is data (July 25) there were 3.5m PIP claims.

There are, what, 58m or so in England. That’s 6% of the population on PIP.

It’s genuinely insane.

 

[Smurph]

Nothing that I mentioned is a ‘handout’ and the public expect all of that list to be provided. The reason I know that is because any move to change any of it is met with absolute uproar and a government doing it losing the next election.

And people are losing their rag over the suggestion that the government are going to increase income tax by 2p and reduce NI by 2p (a move that won’t affect anyone that earns less than about £45k).

You did allude to people wanting everything handed them.

If people are "losing" their shit it's because they are bloody struggling as things currently stand.

 

[Londonlisa2001]

You did allude to people wanting everything handed them.

If people are "losing" their shit it's because they are bloody struggling as things currently stand.

No I didn’t.

I listed the things that people expect from the state. Which one of the list do you not believe people at large expect?

I know people are struggling. But they are also being wound up.

If they lose 2p from one hand and gain 2p with the other that won’t increase their struggle.

If they are earning more than £45k then it may increase their struggle a bit if higher rate taxes are increased and they don’t cut NICs over the Upper Earnings Limit (which they shouldn’t by the way) but that’s only because they have been enjoying an advantage over those earning less than that for many years.

 

[Smurph]

No I didn’t.

I listed the things that people expect from the state. Which one of the list do you not believe people at large expect?

I know people are struggling. But they are also being wound up.

If they lose 2p from one hand and gain 2p with the other that won’t increase their struggle.

If they are earning more than £45k then it may increase their struggle a bit if higher rate taxes are increased and they don’t cut NICs over the Upper Earnings Limit (which they shouldn’t by the way) but that’s only because they have been enjoying an advantage over those earning less than that for many years.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the first bit.

People are getting wound up because they are struggling. I'm not sure when people becoming upset because life is hard became such a thing to beat them with.

This government promised to deliver on many things and have failed spectacularly.

Starmer and his mates are taking the piss and how anyone can try and defend them is beyond me.

 

[Londonlisa2001]

We'll have to agree to disagree on the first bit.

People are getting wound up because they are struggling. I'm not sure when people becoming upset because life is hard became such a thing to beat them with.

This government promised to deliver on many things and have failed spectacularly.

Starmer and his mates are taking the piss and how anyone can try and defend them is beyond me.

I think you are missing my point. People will not be worse off. It’s a tactic for increasing charges on those who currently underpay compared to the vast majority.

And I’ve said before, I think Reeves is doing a terrible job as Chancellor. I’m not defending anything. I’m simply pointing out the dichotomy between people’s expectations and what they will pay.

 

[Smurph]

I think you are missing my point. People will not be worse off. It’s a tactic for increasing charges on those who currently underpay compared to the vast majority.

And I’ve said before, I think Reeves is doing a terrible job as Chancellor. I’m not defending anything. I’m simply pointing out the dichotomy between people’s expectations and what they will pay.

I do get your point, I just think there are other people and other ways they could be going after.

This whole EV tax per mile is another joke, They knew there would be a gap in finances so why bring the ban on petrol and diesel cars forward when they knew they can't afford it.

The rich get richer and the rest of us continue to get shafted.

 

[Londonlisa2001]

I do get your point, I just think there are other people and other ways they could be going after.

This whole EV tax per mile is another joke, They knew there would be a gap in finances so why bring the ban on petrol and diesel cars forward when they knew they can't afford it.

The rich get richer and the rest of us continue to get shafted.

Yes, but who? You’ve been asked loads of times and you just say it’s not your job to know,

The EV thing is absolutely fair. There is a gap in finances and they are filling it. What’s the problem? Or are you saying those who pay £50k for a car are the struggling? In which case, our definition of struggling differs.

 

[Neath_Jack]

Start taxing the very wealthy more, clamp down on tax evasion,. Let’s punch up at those who have a few bob before always punching down at those that have the least.

 

[Smurph]

Yes, but who? You’ve been asked loads of times and you just say it’s not your job to know,

The EV thing is absolutely fair. There is a gap in finances and they are filling it. What’s the problem? Or are you saying those who pay £50k for a car are the struggling? In which case, our definition of struggling differs.

Not all EV's cost 50K many are much more affordable these days and people purchase them because they are cheaper to run and you're being very disingenuous or you clearly live in a far different world to the majority of people.

Kier and Rachel should be looking at their "friends" to help out with he countries finances, they have far deeper pockets than the rest of us.

That's me done for this evenings news night edition of JackArmy.Net

 

[Smurph]

Start taxing the very wealthy more, clamp down on tax evasion,. Let’s punch up at those who have a few bob before always punching down at those that have the least.

Hallelujah

 

[Jack2jack]

I think you are missing my point. People will not be worse off. It’s a tactic for increasing charges on those who currently underpay compared to the vast majority.

And I’ve said before, I think Reeves is doing a terrible job as Chancellor. I’m not defending anything. I’m simply pointing out the dichotomy between people’s expectations and what they will pay.

It's very difficult to expect ordinary working people to pay more taxes when literally everything is on the up, and lets face it, is it really our fault, no, we dont make the decisions, what we do expect is that the government's that are voted in,to do the right thing, the whole country is a basket case and that's a fact, bad decisions after bad decisions. I dont think any hard working people expect hand outs, just a fair whack.
The infrastructure in this country is f***cked, why, mismanagement, under funding, the list is endless, by successive governments. And yet 'we' have to pay for it all, to bail these incompetants out of the shit time and time again.If we (UK) were a business the whole management team would have been sacked by now. It's broken, and no amount of posturing is going to fix it. (Not having a dip at anyone, just the way I see it).

 

[Londonlisa2001]

Start taxing the very wealthy more, clamp down on tax evasion,. Let’s punch up at those who have a few bob before always punching down at those that have the least.

I’ve already said that I’d increase income tax, get rid of the discount of NI at the UEL and impose an exit tax.

The issue is that wealth taxes don’t raise money. It really is as simple as that. If you put a tax of say 1% on wealth in excess of £10m people would leave. That’s why you have to start with exit tax and go from there.

And I’ve already also outlined policies that would help the most in need. Including by the way, not taking a hammer to public services - the less well off rely on them far more than the wealthy.

Increasing tax by a small amount on people earning (individually) in excess of £50k is not those that ‘have the least’.

 

[Londonlisa2001]

Not all EV's cost 50K many are much more affordable these days and people purchase them because they are cheaper to run and you're being very disingenuous or you clearly live in a far different world to the majority of people.

Kier and Rachel should be looking at their "friends" to help out with he countries finances, they have far deeper pockets than the rest of us.

That's me done for this evenings news night edition of JackArmy.Net

The average price is around £50k which is why I used that figure. I can’t afford an EV so I’m clearly not living in your world no.

And they will still be cheaper to run than a petrol car despite costing the country a lot more in infrastructure costs. Plus you get £1500 from the government if the car is less than £32k. And why should those who couldn’t dream of paying that sort of amount be subsidising those that can?

What you seem to be advocating is not actually things that will help the least well off, it’s things that will not affect the middle class.

 

[Neath_Jack]

I’ve already said that I’d increase income tax, get rid of the discount of NI at the UEL and impose an exit tax.

The issue is that wealth taxes don’t raise money. It really is as simple as that. If you put a tax of say 1% on wealth in excess of £10m people would leave. That’s why you have to start with exit tax and go from there.

And I’ve already also outlined policies that would help the most in need. Includ8ng b6 the way, not taking a hammer to public services - the less well off rely 8n them far more than the wealthy.

Increasing tax by a small amount on people earning (individually) in excess if £50k is not those that ‘have the least’.

Let them leave. And I’d be taxing them on £1m let alone ten.

There’s always reasons not to tax the super rich, but never for those worse off.

Start at the very top and work downwards.

 

[Smurph]

The average price is around £50k which is why I used that figure. I can’t afford an EV so I’m clearly not living in your world no.

And they will still be cheaper to run than a petrol car despite costing the country a lot more in infrastructure costs. Plus you get £1500 from the government if the car is less than £32k. And why should those who couldn’t dream of paying that sort of amount be subsidising those that can?

What you seem to be advocating is not actually things that will help the least well off, it’s things that will not affect the middle class.

The bottom end EV’s in the UK start at 21k after incentives.