Whatever your thoughts on Grimes….

[Swanjaxs]

I'm holding fire at the moment, let's see who (if anyone) comes through the door this time next week...

 

[Swans Jack]

It's not that we cannot spend the money it's they we won't. As it has consequences at some point. Risk and Reward. Personally I have no problems paying players less than other clubs as long as it's quality coming in. I constantly hear people saying we are a league one club. Get over it. If we ended up getting promoted we would be the next blue print for all clubs (highly unlikely) and if we go down we will be the blue print for how not to do it. It's not quantity it's quality. And good coaching. We all want a 20 mill player but no guarantee it will work out and to what effect. I'm not defending Coleman. I'm just stating risk and rewards

 

[LeonWasTheDogs]

Who like Cardiff have also fallen foul of the rules.

Yet not sanctioned. They got off again this year.

Anyway, it doesn’t change your point the P&S/FFP is a real thing that limits the ability to just splash out.

 

[Deleted member 1454]

It's not that we cannot spend the money

I mean, obviously we can, but that would just mean we'd be losing, say, £30m a season, instead of the current £20m.

Which then increases the risk of massive fines or even points deductions under P&S rules.

So in reality, no we can't spend the money. Unless we somehow find a way to raise revenues and/or severely cut costs.

 

[Dan_Swan]

3 million is very small potatoes for a player who has been Captain for years.

I know it's been a while and I don't know how long they'd be in place for but I wonder if Exeter have a sell on clause?

Edit, read elsewhere they don't

 

[Deleted member 1454]

Yet not sanctioned. They got off again this year.

Anyway, it doesn’t change your point the P&S/FFP is a real thing that limits the ability to just splash out.

They were embargoed before for it though. They weren't allowed to sign players for a fee for a couple of windows because they'd been naughty.

 

[LeonWasTheDogs]

They were embargoed before for it though. They weren't allowed to sign players for a fee for a couple of windows because they'd been naughty.

They should have nuked the horrible place. The penalties are too lenient

 

[eteb]

They should have nuked the horrible place. The penalties are too lenient

Madness that they didn't get a points deduction where every other club does

 

[ARQS]

I mean, obviously we can, but that would just mean we'd be losing, say, £30m a season, instead of the current £20m.

Which then increases the risk of massive fines or even points deductions under P&S rules.

So in reality, no we can't spend the money. Unless we somehow find a way to raise revenues and/or severely cut costs.

This is where our dreadful transfer dealings come home to roost.

All this dross we've spent millions on, costing us tens of thousands of pounds a week with no prospect of making any money when we sell them.

This is that catching up with us. Next stop League One.

 

[NWJack]

This is where our dreadful transfer dealings come home to roost.

All this dross we've spent millions on, costing us tens of thousands of pounds a week with no prospect of making any money when we sell them.

This is that catching up with us. Next stop League One.

This

Despite all the hard work and endeavour, we're a basket case of a club and L1 is frankly no more than we deserve.

 

[Dr. Winston]

All this dross we've spent millions on, costing us tens of thousands of pounds a week with no prospect of making any money when we sell them.

This is that catching up with us. Next stop League One.

Assuming that we've actually signed dross, and not just appointed dross to coach them.

Got to be honest, in at least 2/3 of recent cases, perhaps even 3/3, I'm leaning towards coaching being the problem.

 

[Deleted member 1454]

This is where our dreadful transfer dealings come home to roost.

All this dross we've spent millions on, costing us tens of thousands of pounds a week with no prospect of making any money when we sell them.

This is that catching up with us. Next stop League One.

Since relegation we have got 80-90% of our transfer decisions, in and out, wrong. We've sold loads of players for less than their market value, we've made a loss on far more players than we've made a profit on, we've spent far too much money on fees and wages for players who have either never been suitable for Championship football, or who we've developed on loan for parent clubs to eventually profit on.

The only unequivocal successes since relegation, in a financial sense, have been McBurnie, Roberts, Rodon, James, Downes and Piroe. Franco looks like he might be the next cab off that particular rank.

But that's nowhere near good enough a hit rate. It explains where we are.

 

[ARQS]

Assuming that we've actually signed dross, and not just appointed dross to coach them.

Got to be honest, in at least 2/3 of recent cases, perhaps even 3/3, I'm leaning towards coaching being the problem.

Possibly to some extent, yes.

Although I'm not at all convinced any new manager will be any better, for a number of different reasons.

 

[Dr. Winston]

Possibly to some extent, yes.

Although I'm not at all convinced any new manager will be any better, for a number of different reasons.

Suppose it depends who the new manager is.

Too many players have been derided by our support and deemed "shite" yet have gone on to other clubs and done well for us to disregard the idea that coaching has been our biggest problem.

Personally I desperately want us to move on from the generation of managers who all seem to want to pretend to be Pep. There are signs in the PL and abroad that that kind of football is slowly dying and it'd be nice to be on the forefront of that revolution.

 

[Ringwood]

There is a lot of long balls played now in the prem. Box to box athletes with a physical presence and quality wide area players . Watching both Palace and Villa games at the weekend shows walking triangle football is a dead duck especially if you have players who panic when pressed.