Cardiff Council SUV surcharge

[Jack2jack]

Cardiff Council set to make Cardiff the first City to impose a surcharge on SUVs of a certain (Revenue) weight. Anyway see attached article.

Cardiff set to impose SUV parking premium after council approval

Owners of large cars such as SUVs would be charged more to encourage switching to smaller vehicles.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[J_B]

Good.

 

[Jack2jack]

Good.

Interestingly, it targets some of the very cars they are trying to get folk into, you know the electric ones with massive heavy batteries.

 

[Manselton Jack]

Interestingly, it targets some of the very cars they are trying to get folk into, you know the electric ones with massive heavy batteries.

An electric car doesn't have to be a big heavy SUV, something like a Renault 5 isn't a bloated overweight truck.
Makes sense to me.

 

[Jack2jack]

An electric car doesn't have to be a big heavy SUV, something like a Renault 5 isn't a bloated overweight truck.
Makes sense to me.

Indeed,it goes on weight rather than size/footprint, just saying that generally EVs are 15, 20 even 30% heavier than petrol cars for example.

 

[Manselton Jack]

Indeed,it goes on weight rather than size/footprint, just saying that generally EVs are 15, 20 even 30% heavier than petrol cars for example.

Agreed, I've got an Octavia vrs which weighs about 1450kg, the electric SUV equivalent is the Enyaq Coupe vrs which is around 2250kg - that's 50% heavier!!
Electric vehicles aren't necessarily an issue but bloated SUV's are.

 

[Jack2jack]

Agreed, I've got an Octavia vrs which weighs about 1450kg, the electric SUV equivalent is the Enyaq Coupe vrs which is around 2250kg - that's 50% heavier!!
Electric vehicles aren't necessarily an issue but bloated SUV's are.

I could never understand why cars have become so large, so much so that even standard parking spaces are now bigger than before. Not withstanding the damage these larger vehicles are doing to the roads. Not 100% convinced it's being implimented for all the right reasons, but, it is what it is, its not going to affect me if I'm being honest, but it may others.

 

[J_B]

Agreed, I've got an Octavia vrs which weighs about 1450kg, the electric SUV equivalent is the Enyaq Coupe vrs which is around 2250kg - that's 50% heavier!!
Electric vehicles aren't necessarily an issue but bloated SUV's are.

Yes and that extra weight causes more rapid damage to the road surface. Maybe Road tax should have a weight element?

 

[Manselton Jack]

Yes and that extra weight causes more rapid damage to the road surface. Maybe Road tax should have a weight element?

If road tax is in any way supposed to be contributing to road maintenance then it absolutely should

 

[Smurph]

What problem are they trying to fix by implementing this charge?

 

[Pentyrchjack]

Most people in Cardiff who drive really big SUVs (like RR Vogue, Bentayga, Defender 130, XC90 and GLS) will have private driveways so will not be affected. Only applies to on-street resident permits.

 

[MajorR]

Most people in Cardiff who drive really big SUVs (like RR Vogue, Bentayga, Defender 130, XC90 and GLS) will have private driveways so will not be affected. Only applies to on-street resident permits.

Went with family to watch the Cardiff half a few weeks ago, we ended up near Roath Park. Never been in that part of Cardiff before, there were some seriously nice gaffs there, I can see what you mean about having drives etc.

What annoys me about this new rule, is WTF do council employees get a parking pass, they should be in the same boat as everyone else.

 

[JackSomething]

Went with family to watch the Cardiff half a few weeks ago, we ended up near Roath Park. Never been in that part of Cardiff before, there were some seriously nice gaffs there, I can see what you mean about having drives etc.

What annoys me about this new rule, is WTF do council employees get a parking pass, they should be in the same boat as everyone else.

There's something in the BBC article linked about new parking passes being created for 'essential council staff', so I presume that would mean they could get one but would still probably have to pay more if they have a larger vehicle.

 

[Pacemaker]

Interestingly, it targets some of the very cars they are trying to get folk into, you know the electric ones with massive heavy batteries.

I drive a Tesla model 3 EV saloon which weighs about 1615kg a similar size BMW 3 series saloon weighs between 1450 to 1900kg depending on the engine so very little difference in weight.

SUV’s of all types weigh significantly heavier than standard saloons or hatchbacks.

Fuel type has very little to do with weight. Safety design has resulted in much bigger and heavier cars to ensure we as drivers and passengers can walk away from a collision which cannot be said for pedestrians or cyclists generally if hit by a SUV.

 

[Jack2jack]

I drive a Tesla model 3 EV saloon which weighs about 1615kg a similar size BMW 3 series saloon weighs between 1450 to 1900kg depending on the engine so very little difference in weight.

SUV’s of all types weigh significantly heavier than standard saloons or hatchbacks.

Fuel type has very little to do with weight. Safety design has resulted in much bigger and heavier cars to ensure we as drivers and passengers can walk away from a collision which cannot be said for pedestrians or cyclists generally if hit by a SUV.

Its SUVs they seem to be targeting, yes.
I'd put money on the fact that if you put two similar SUVs similar spec, same footprint, etc, etc,side by side one EV one petrol, I'd put money on the EV weighing more, could be wrong mind, but I reckon batteries weigh significantly more than a tank of fuel.